[gatharion]

The eshu consider the tuatha to be "Johnny Come Latelies" that set themselves up in Ireland and were full of themselves.

I've actually got a fair bit with the Tuatha and the boggans in KB: Boggan
boggan.digitaldreaming.net

I don't think that there is much more at all regarding the other kiths

[Lantis]

Well, I´m not exactly a specialist when it comes to legends, but I think there were different kinds of sidhe - bean-sidhe, daoine-sidhe, sluagh-sidhe... But I haven´t read of only "sidhe". But then again, I´m no specialist.


As for as official info on that subject:
"The sidhe (though not yet known by that name), who interests lay in governance and warfare, were already established, being the closest to their tall, beautiful Tuathan parents. Interestingly, those closest to the sidhe, who knew many great secrets, chose to actually occupy some of the underground places set aside for them, many of which were originally tombs. As time passed changed to fit their environment. The Celts who saw the hosts of fae ride out on certain nights of the year called them the Sluagh Sidhe - the Fairy Host. Eventually, the "shining ones" came to be known as the sidhe, while the whisperers in the dark became the sluagh."
- Immortal Eyes: Court of All Kings, The Children of the Tuatha (p.30)

If you don´t have access to the book, I can type the rest of the text later.

[Spikey]

Dunno how I missed this one ...

The satyr's met with the Sidhe too. All the Greek gods were Sidhe, Apollo and zeus, Hera and Aphrodite! Unseelie apparently (and all of this is why I dislike the KB Satyr like other people dislike KB Eshu). Apollo and his lot betrayed pan if I remember correctly, and so that that infers contact between the pointy ears and the guys n grrls with their legs on backwards.

[Loyalone]

I dunno about how Cannon you expect Arkanix. Most of the "history" of the fae is dubvious at best. Contradiction is the name of the game apparently.

Still, I suppose that there are some links. Ill try to look around.

[Hyacinth]

I'm glad someone mentioned the Satyr thing; it came to mind immediatly when I read the first post on this thread. I agree,though, Spikey; it's not a great Kithbook, but it's the only one us "grrls with their legs on backwards" have, unfortunatly.

[Spikey]

I don't know why little thing annoys me so much, its irrational. But having the Olympian gods as nasty evil Sidhe really winds me up for some reason. SDuch a waste, such a misunderstanding of the culture and myths. I dunno, just wrong somehow.

I do wish they'd have expanded the Kith to include Nypmhs and centaurs though (and Fuath, Glaistig, Minataur, Harpies). That would have been worth the page count. If KB: Redcap can introduce the River hags and KB: Eshu completely rewrite the entire changeling Setting, KB Satyr might well have had the full gamit of half animal fae hinted at, if it was produced later on in the print run.

[Spikey]

Oh I know the reason given. I just think its cock though. Changelings have to avoid the situations that cause banality, so a centaur simply wouldn't take the bus or go to the cinema. He'd be forced to more or less live out in the country and avoid built up areas if he was born within the last 50 years. Or his Birthright could be that he grew back legs (going from faun/satyr to centaur). The Minataur would have to turn sideways and duck. Not that much of a stretch for any roleplayer worth his salt.

However, if they all mutated into Satyrs as suggeted, how about a few throwbacks? Centaur and Minataur hang ups, Historical setting satyrs who actualy still have four legs. A Sub kith with Chimerical wings (Harpies) with Big bull horns (Minataur), with Pools to guard or stuff.

If KB Eshu can do what it did, its seems to me thatthis is the logical way to expand the Satyrs.

[Loyalone]

Ok, I think its important to get the 3 most.... unrepentant people in a row to say it.

KB eshu blew.

[Alqamar Alaswad]

I don't know why little thing annoys me so much, its irrational. But having the Olympian gods as nasty evil Sidhe really winds me up for some reason. SDuch a waste, such a misunderstanding of the culture and myths. I dunno, just wrong somehow.

I do wish they'd have expanded the Kith to include Nypmhs and centaurs though (and Fuath, Glaistig, Minataur, Harpies). That would have been worth the page count. If KB: Redcap can introduce the River hags and KB: Eshu completely rewrite the entire changeling Setting, KB Satyr might well have had the full gamit of half animal fae hinted at, if it was produced later on in the print run.

Do you approve of me having decided that the Titans were Fomorians (actually Flatha)? Or hadn't you even heard of it before?

(From Chapter 3 of the Lords of Nightmare book)

In the ancient days, chthonic deities know as the Titans ruled the lands that contemporary people call Greece; children of Uranus, the Sky, and Gaia, the Earth, the Titans were wise, magnificent and mighty. They were also cruel and unfeeling, with hardened hearts, deaf to the cries of Mankind. Cronus, leader of the Titans, castrated his father to free his mother from his constant molestations. Some say that, under the rule of Cronus, humanity lived under an Age of Gold; others say that the Titans were dominant, distant tyrants, and that all suffered under their shadow.
But in the end, all was in vain, because the Olympians, the sons of Cronus and Gaia led by the youngest brother, Zeus, rose against the Titans as the Titans had rose against Uranus, and after a terrible war, called the Titanomachia and admirably narrated by Hesiod in the Theogony, the Titans were defeated. Their names are all there, in that admirable book: Iapetus, Hyperion, Ocean, Gaia, Mnemosyne… The Titans married with their own sisters, and with women of other lineages, and bred children such as Prometheus, who gave fire to mankind. All the Titans, lesser and greater, that had stood against Zeus the great Usurper, were sent to Tartarus and enchained in manacles of adamant and chains of cruel iron. And to watch over them as their guardians, Zeus chose the Hecatonchires, the hated children of Uranus. Mighty Poseidon cast an spell over the children of the Titans, the Typhonides, and ordered them to assist the Hecantochires in the task of being the jailers of their own parents.
Most of the greater Titans are gone; some escaped from their chains and run away to other worlds, such as the Umbrae. Others lost their vitality, and now stand in their ancient prisons, in Tartarus, immobile and turned to stone, such as Atlas. Those who stood with Zeus have long passed into the realms of the gods and ideals. Tartarus itself drifted away from the lands of death, and settled in the Dreaming. It was Eleftherios, son of Iapetus, who led the lesser Titans away from Tartarus, once the chains began to snap, and the padlocks to open on its own.
Gone were the gods, and broken their power. The Titans discovered that, except their own monstrous children, the Typhonides, they lacked any allies in the lands of Dream. They looked for the Satyrs, but they had not known their reign, and remember the legends, so they feared them, trying to chase them away from the slopes of Mount Olympus. And so, those Titans who had broken free during the Resurgence languished in the Meadow of Asphodels, dreaming dreams of the Age of Gold, when Cronus ruled the Earth. And then, in far-off India, Zapathasura died, and his death shattered the chainss that bound the remaining Titans. Now they walk again in the Dreaming, and under the face of Helios, and their bodies project long shadows over those who have to raise their faces to look at them.

[Loyalone]

If by some amazing, entirely improbable and strange co-incidence I was transported to another dimension where Changeling: The Dreaming was a reality in all its glory, and I was magically a changeling too, I would hunt down the eshu called 'Dice' and kick him in the nutsacks.
Hates him.

PREACH ON!

Dice is the worst character ever made, and to make him immortal, or even worse the focus of any story, rips me from the inside out.

Hates the diceses

[Loyalone]

OH! And I can certainly see why your veiws on the titans are the way they are, bro.

I can see them as fomorians in that light. Still, as written, I feel they are missing something.

[Lantis]

Hmm...interesting chronicle idea:

The hunt for Dice.
Get the characters put under a geas to hunt him down and slay him with cold iron or forfiet their souls.

I would have a nocker make me some nifty cold iron gloves just to bitchslap him. Or some cold iron boots to kick him in the nuts.

GOD, I HATE DICE! But I love Starlight Exodus.

The voodoo queen from NO is nice, though. Very Anne Rice-ish of Woodworth...