[Shukura]

Along the lines of inspiration for eshu....what characters in movies or TV shows have you looked at and said "hmmm. That person must be an eshu."?

[Swordsman]

Oooh. Definitely Indiana Jones. Always travelling, having a great love of stories and the past, always leading an "interesting" life, being daring, and being at the right place at the right (wrong?) time. Yep, definitely eshu-ish.

[Spikey]

There was a little known British TV show called Urban Gothic. It ran for two series and was a bunch of half hour long Horror stories set in London. Tying them all together was the fact that London had a degree of sentience, or more correctly, a will. This was reffered to by those who knew about it as the Heart of the city, or just the Heart.

Now the Heart liked to have its dark stories told and so it chose an individual as its Storyteller. forced to witness each macabre event but unable to interfere directly or even indirectly if he didn't want to be killed and replaced (the premise of a story and the reason a new modern Character gets the job).

That Storyteller geezer made a Great Eshu. Trapped by an ancient entity with goals and morals completely alien to humanity, forced to be a witness and to tell the stories to a Mostly unbeliving audience. Eventually sacrificing himself to save others after spending a long time carefully manipulating others into learning the truth of the danger without breaking the rules of his persoan geas.

[Tabhan]

Another obscure UK series, Neverwhere (by Neil Gaiman - you may have read the book). The Marquis de Carabas was a superb eshu; knowledgable, resourceful, stylish trickster and con-man. Of course, most of the characters from that show matched up nicely with one kith or another, and the whole show was very redolent of Changeling. I'm sure it's been covered in an earlier topic somewhere. : )

I suppose it would be cheating to say Sinbad, from any of the old Sinbad films! After all, the Changeling writers quite clearly had him at the top of their minds when they invented the kith. ; )

[sandchigger]

I thought the Marquis was a rat pooka, myself. Or I seem to recall thinking that anyway, it's been far too long since I read the book...

[Spikey]

The original TV series version was definitly an Eshu. But the Book version (withthe differences between screen and ergasy) I can see what you mean Chigg.

And Tabhan. Obscure? Do you know where you are?

[Annael]

Not exactly a movie or show, I suppose, but Tom Sawyer. And for that matter, Mark Twain.

Hey, and I could see Jame Bond being an eshu. Travelling all over the world, getting into one adventure after another, getting all the women but never settling down...and with a Nocker to provide him loads of cool gadgets.

[kalirush]

But M would be a boggan.

[sandchigger]

Dame Judi Dench a boggan? Yeah, I can see that.

[Swordsman]

I just saw "Eight Below" last night. Cool movie. But one of the main characters immediately struck me as an eshu. She was a pilot that shuttled people back and forth to Antarctica. And she looked to be of mixed heritage, likely some Asian or Inuit blood. The idea of a bush pilot constantly risking life and limb in dangerous flights to odd parts of the world really struck me as eshu-like.

[gatharion]

Douglas Fairbanks in the Thief of Bagdad.

[General Bullet]

I know a lot of people didn't like the movie version, but Val Kilmer's portrayal of The Saint was definitely eshu. In fact, he spawned my most infamous eshu, Batir....

[Spikey]

Douglas Fairbanks in the Thief of Bagdad.

Definatly! !

And I guess it bears saying again; Indiana Jones! And Jack Ryan, the Tom Clancy character from 'The Hunt for red October', 'clear and present danger' and 'Patriot games'. He makes a good Eshu. As Does Dirk Pitt, the Clive Cussler Character from 'Sahara' and a bunch of other stories.

Finally, the Character played by Christian Bale in 'Reign of fire. If Van Zan and his Americans are Redcap monster hunters as I've said before, the leader of the survivours is a definate Eshu. He witnessed the first Dragon awakening and his knowlledge and constant moral boosting have kept the ragtag humans alive. His knowledge is what saves the world in the end, because he kept the story/wisdom alive. There is even the scene where he and his friend rip off star wars and tell the story of the white knight and the dark knight to entertain the kids in the castle and their repeating the three lessons of existence is what secures the species (the kids) survive.

[sandchigger]

Spikey, you get Banality for invoking Reign of Crap you know...

[Swordsman]

Nah, it was only a little pile of crap, not a big one. And Spikey has a good point with the character. I was very amused at him telling the Star Wars story, and thought it was one of the better moments. I actually used to do the same thing for my son when he was a baby, rather than reading a story.

[Spikey]

Spikey, you get Banality for invoking Reign of Crap you know...

Sorry, I think it's a great movie. One of the best B movies made in quite a while. Like Dog Soldiers its a great role players film!!

After having to sit through Narnia and war of the Worlds recently though I'd probably even say the matrix was watchable, my Film Fu has been so badly knackered.

[sandchigger]

No, it has far too many plot holes to be anywhere near 'great'. I liked a FEW of the concepts presented in the film, namely the Archangels, they were a cool idea, but the rest of it was just horrid.

[Spikey]

No, it has far too many plot holes to be anywhere near 'great'.  I liked a FEW of the concepts presented in the film, namely the Archangels, they were a cool idea, but the rest of it was just horrid.

Plot holes? you'd need a plot for that?

as the most cynical and critical person I know I can't say I've ever noticed any plot holes in it. And I notice Plot holes in just about everything!!

[sandchigger]

Seriously? You didn't ever ask yourself "so where are the baby dragons coming from if there was just the one in the cave under FRICKIN' LONDON"?

[Spikey]

Seriously?  You didn't ever ask yourself "so where are the baby dragons coming from if there was just the one in the cave under FRICKIN' LONDON"?

No I didn't as it is explained in the movie. he is the only Male, not the only dragon, he breeds with the females and thats how little Dragons are made.