[EtherealWatcher]

How is trait difficulty worked? As I understand it you have to risk additional traits equal to the difficulty.

Also correct me if im wrong, but being X Traits up or down only applies to comparing ties?


Thanks in advance!

[Dolston]

Traits up means you are up X traits when comparing them with another player so ties & overbids.

[EtherealWatcher]

Anyone else whish to comment? any and all oppinions are welcomed

[Dolston]

There is a situation that might also apply that I forgot. Sometimes the challenge is a static against the traits of another character. Depending on the situation the bonus traits may also apply. If you have any doubts you would want to speak with your ST.

[EtherealWatcher]

I AM the ST.

[Dolston]

I AM the ST.

Then you need to make the decision.

[Tuesday]

Short version:

Bonus traits add on ties.
Penalties subtract on ties.
Neither one matters on non-ties.

Negative traits and similar effects require you to bid extra traits in order to enter into the challenge at all.

That's pretty much straight by the book, but the book isn't clear about it in any single place.

[EtherealWatcher]

Then you need to make the decision.

Wow, and I thought this place was gonna be helpful


Thanks Tuesday, I'm glad to see someone can clarify a simple question

[jadedeath]

Wow, and I thought this place was gonna be helpful
Thanks Tuesday, I'm glad to see someone can clarify a simple question

This place was helpful...

They took a simple question that you asked and answered it... both Tuesday and Dolston did on different occasions...

Logan

[Tuesday]

It was helpful. In the case of a test against a static number of traits, it's not clear by the book if bonus traits apply to the static number.

For example, if I use Aura Perception on you, I make a static test with difficulty equal to your Mental Traits. Let's assume you have 7. Due to the Nightmares flaw, you're down 1 trait on all challenges all night, so if you were trying to use AP on me, you'd bid 6 traits - but AP isn't against you, it's against a number off your sheet. Does that penalty apply to my Aura Perception attempt? Do I have to beat 6 traits, or 7?

The answer isn't in the book, because the book doesn't address that.

The answer is "storyteller's call".

If you're the storyteller, you have to decide that.

It's not exactly a common situation, regardless.

This post has been edited by Tuesday: 18 January 2007 - 05:10 PM

[_vamp]

If you're going to focus on rules, I have but one advice:

Adapt to nWoD.

[EtherealWatcher]

If you're going to focus on rules, I have but one advice:

Adapt to nWoD.

Its not that I'm worried about rules per se. I simply wanted to know how it worked so that I could better modify them for my game, if need be. When you havent even touched the book in several years and then start going through it page by page you tend to find forgotten lore. Either way, it doesnt matter any more because I have made my decision. Admittedly, Tueday was helpful, but Dolston and now vamp have both presented themselves as dicks. Not a very inviting welcome for a new board member if you ask me. As for adopting NWoD, No.

[Dolston]

And you've come across as a whiny bitch after I specifically answered a question you had and added further clarification after you asked for more. Simply put, the issue requires the ST to make a decision. Whining that you ARE the ST does change that you MUST make that decision.

[jadedeath]

As for adopting NWoD, No.

I fail to see how vamp or dolston have presented themselves as dicks as Vamp kindly suggested that you adapt a better system for LARP to your own specifications and Dolston answered your question when you asked it...

as to adapting nWoD I'd have to suggest the same... it's a bit better of a system when running a LARP the combat moves along far faster than they did in the oWoD LARP rules and if you want to run it from a Camarilla/Sabbat etc oWoD history you can do that rather easily as well...

Logan

[Glacialis]

<mod>

Dolston: Please watch the language and the heat. You know better than that man.

EtherealWatcher: _vamp did nothing of the sort, and Dolston did so with one inappropriate word. Dolston answered your question in the OWoD forum almost a month ago, and has done so here recently as well. Your attitude is not making it easy to want to help you, but we will maintain a civil atmosphere regardless.

All: Play nice and keep a vigilant eye on the height of your horse.

</mod>

_vamp's point is valid, if tongue-in-cheek. OWoD MET was considered to be one of the most holey systems in widespread use. I even had a ~50% complete project to use the NWoD ruleset for OWoD setting. Since it's quite easy to change to MET from NWoD rules, and I loved the OWoD, I thought it a worthwhile project. Too bad I've run out of free time.

I believe the reason for the irritation reception you've been presented with is that the point has been discussed to death over the last ten years or so, and Dolston's point on rules is the consensus of all MET ST's and rules monkies that I've spoken to.

[Dolston]

Trust me. I am playing nice.

[_vamp]

_vamp's point is valid, if tongue-in-cheek. OWoD MET was considered to be one of the most holey systems in widespread use. I even had a ~50% complete project to use the NWoD ruleset for OWoD setting. Since it's quite easy to change to MET from NWoD rules, and I loved the OWoD, I thought it a worthwhile project. Too bad I've run out of free time.

I would very much like to see this project of yours

And I still stick to what I say, dick or no dick. I've been in the "ooh, I can't stand nWoD because it's not oWoD"-period myself and gotten over it.